i pursued dianne feinstein's point about staff. when you go and you have under the there was administration a briefing with the president or the vice president under the head of the cia and others, you are not allowed to -- i can remember driving with pat robert when is he was chair uh and i was vice chairman, we were not allowed to talk to each other driving up or back. we were not allowed to. the staff was a part of nothing. you have to understand that you are surrounded by people who work with you and fill you in. people were experts. we are too. they have to be part of this. they have to be part of when the olc is coming to them also. i strongly support the chair woman's view on this. in the enhanced intergirogation techniques matter, a handful of officials who were invested and are personally invested in defending the cia's interrogation program, largely because their reputations depend on it. the report to speak for the cia on this issue and i think it does all a great disservice. in high office, you and i discussed the landm